Democratic Underground Monitoring Blog (DUMB)

Wednesday, June 04, 2003

Put on your aluminum foil deflector beanies. We need an Evidence Room.

Please forgive me if I'm just being a dunce, and haven't noticed if we have one already, but we need a centralized evidence room for EVERYTHING that the BFEE has done in history. I'm talking everyting from the Nazi war crimes, to sabotaging the Iranian hostage rescue and delaying their release, to JFK, to the Bush/Hinkley thing, to the drug connection, to child slave thing, to Iran/Contra, to AWOL, to election 2000, to Iraq, ect......
I know that this would be well over a thousand pages of information. I'm not talking about conspiracy stuff either. Most of this is grounded in cold hard facts that has been buried so deep that nobody looks for it, but it's there. I've seen a lot of people post dependable stuff, but you have to look all over the place for it (including here). [emphasis added]
Woo, I say, woo.

12 replies so far, and none of the critical. I'll give the "normal" DUers the benefit of the doubt, and assume they're treating this thread like they'd treat someone on the street who was talking to himself. "Back away slowly, and don't make eye contact!"

Tuesday, June 03, 2003

Color me confused. Indiana Green, a frequent pro-Palestinian combatant in the Foreign Affairs forum, complains in the Comments forum about some of the pro-Israel posters:

We have rightwingers that post there and get away with shit they couldn't elsewhere on this board by simply wrapping themselves on the "pro-Israel" flag.
Later on, another poster, Tinoire, identifies them because they use a code phrase:
These are the same posters who occasionally trip by referring to the occupied territories by the right-wing code words "Judea and Samaria", refer to the ISM Peace activists as terrorist supporters, and defend the settlements' right to exist as they are at all costs.
A resourseful poster searched for "Samaria" and found that its usage was legit. IndianaGreen replies with
Using "Judea and Samaria" in quotes as it is here:
The ultra-Zionists that want the entire "Judea and Samaria" area for their beloved biblical Israel (which was an historical myth).

Is quite different from referring to the West Bank as Judea and Samaria, which are the ancient biblical names for the West Bank and also implies that it will never be given back in a peace settlement.

Another one is to refer to the Occupied Territories as the "disputed territories."
The only problem is, the person using "Judea and Samaria" in the linked thread is... IndianaGreen. Sheesh, build many strawmen, IndianaGreen?

Sunday, June 01, 2003

I haven't dropped into the muck of the Foreign Affairs forum for a while, so lets go take a look and see what absurdities I can find. Eye Witnesses: Israelis who witnessed Palestinians being shot by IDF .

The IDF is the ideological descendent of the Capos
The Capos were Jews who served as barrack wardens for the Nazis in the concentration camps and according to Victor Frankl, psychologist and author of Man's Search for Meaning, the Capos most often were crueler to their fellow Jews than the SS guards. The IDF is displaying this same kind of behavior, except it is towards the Palestinians and foreigners, like Rachal Corrie and the ISM activists.

[same poster further down]
Comparing the IDF to Capos is not tripe. It is a valid comparison. Both are groups of Jews who use violence or threats of violence to terrorize their opponents. This behavior is not uniquely Jewish or Israeli, nor is it uniquely German. It is the dark side of human behavior, and last I recall Jews were human, so they suffer the same weaknesses as any other tribe of humans.

[same poster continues to beat this dead horse]
As far as the IDF and Capos, the IDF is the ideological heir to the Capos. The brutal mentality is the same, and the only major differences are that the IDF has more firepower than the Capos were allowed and the IDF are not subject to the Nazis. Only a rabid Zionist would instantly disclaim this connection.